Other People's Money with Max Wiethe

• Why Beating the Market Isn’t Enough for Investment Managers | Corey Hoffstein

  This Other People’s Money episode is brought you by Fiscal.ai. Sign up for a 2-week free trial and get 15% off any paid tier at: http://fiscal.ai/mm Corey Hoffstein, CEO and CIO of Newfound Research and co-founder and PM of Return Stacked ETFs, joins OPM to discuss his journey in the investment management business. He argues that beating the market is a commoditized value proposition and that investment managers need to solve other problems for their clients to attract assets. He also discusses his experience licensing research to other asset managers, his belief that distribution is the key question of success in the asset management business, and how quantitative research and other forms of content like podcasts and social media can help build brand awareness. Follow Corey on X: https://x.com/choffstein Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:27 Fiscal AI 01:16 The Difference Between Quant and Systematic Investing 03:18 Can Market Bubbles Be Measured? 05:05 Is Market Timing a Good Bet? 09:31 Evolving Risk Premia and Market Inefficiencies 16:41 Fiscal AI 18:20 Beginnings in Investment Management 23:04 Licensing Indexes to Other Managers 27:35 Providing Education Materials 31:26 Moving Into Asset Management 36:47 Evolving into Current Strategies 40:06 Thinking About the Investment Product Wrapper 43:11 Asset Management vs Investment Management 47:27 Solving Behavioral Finance Problems and Market Problems 51:28 Different Ways of Using Leverage 52:41 Knowing Your Client Base Isn’t Institutional 55:45 Content Creation and Brand Building 59:27 Growing an Audience: What Financial Content Goes Viral? 01:04:27 Dealing with Compliance and Education 01:07:22 How To Read and Interpret Quantitative Research as a Normie 01:12:22 How Is AI Being Used by Quants? 01:15:48 Conclusion

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• This Hedge Fund Trying to Become the Top Pod Shop in Crypto is Rethinking the Multi-Manager Hedge Fund Model | Anatoly Crachilov of Nickel Digital

  This Other People’s Money episode is brought to you by CAIA.nxt. Learn more about their alternatives education courses for investment advisors and get 10% off with code MMTEN: https://caia.org/content/welcome-monetary-matters-and-other-peoples-money-listeners Anatoly Crachilov, CEO and Co-Founder of Nickel Digital Asset Management, joins Other People’s Money to discuss why crypto is the perfect asset class for the multi-manager pod shop model. He also explains how Nickel is taking a “West Berlin” approach to partnering with external traders compared to the “East Berlin” approach of many traditional pod shops where non-competes and strict control of IP is the norm. He also discusses why 2025 has been a difficult year for crypto traders, how their team is managing the choppy markets, and how scaled up pods and incubation stage pods managed the extreme volatility in October. Follow Anatoly Crachilov on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anatoly-crachilov/ Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod Timestamps 00:00 Intro 00:38 CAIA.nxt 01:24 Multi-Manager Origin Story 03:12 No Central Book or Alpha Capture 04:32 Expanding Number of Pods 06:15 Technology Enabled Growth 10:09 Onboarding a New Pod 14:38 Benefits of Crypto's Infinite Divisibility 15:58 CAIA.nxt 16:54 Determining the Scalability of Strategies 18:03 Minimum & Maximum Pod Sizes at Scale 18:33 Measuring Risk Adjusted Returns 20:34 Pod Compensation and Fund Level Fees 24:43 Winning the War for Talent 29:29 Pods Can Be Independent Prop Shops and Single Managers 35:03 Demand for Crypto Multi-Manager Funds 39:02 Reducing Risk in Crypto with 3rd Party Settlement & Custodians 46:08 Crypto Still Has Low Liquidity 49:41 The Cost of Poor Trade Execution in Crypto 53:16 Current Environment for Crypto 58:22 Risk Management Adjustments in a Choppy Year 01:02:04 Different Testing Environments for New Pods 01:06:30 What Happens When a Scaled Pod Has a Drawdown? 01:09:35 Conclusion

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• The Hedge Fund Beating the S&P 500 Trading Only Financial Stocks | Derek Pilecki of Gator Capital

  Derek Pilecki’s hedge fund Gator Capital has outperformed the S&P 500, compounding at over 22% since inception while focusing exclusively on financial sector stocks. In this interview Derek discusses why he thinks recent concern in the financial sector is overblown, how he has grown his firm’s assets to over $300m, and why he believes that good performance is simply not enough to grow a successful hedge fund. Derek also discusses how he manages his mutual fund alongside his hedge fund and why he doesn’t see the vehicles as competing but serving two separate investor bases. Sign up for Gator Capital's distribution list: https://www.gatorcapital.com/ Follow Derek on X: https://x.com/gatorcapital Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

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• Bringing Long/Short Hedge Fund Strategies to ETFs | David Orr (Bonus Episode)

  This is a special bonus episode of OPM with David Orr. In my first conversation with David, we only discussed his hedge fund that has crushed the S&P 500 since its inception in 2021. In addition to his hedge fund, he also runs the Militia Long/Short Equity ETF ($ORR) which since its inception in January 2025 has also beaten the S&P 500 running a similar but still distinct long/short strategy from the one he employs at his hedge fund. We discuss his unorthodox decision to launch the ETF when the hedge fund was going so well, how he is managing the different liquidity needs, his dual fiduciary duties, differing compliance realities, and the increased transparency of the ETF wrapper. Follow David Orr on X: https://x.com/orrdavid Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

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• How Analyst Compensation & Incentives Impact Hedge Fund Success with HF Reflections (Bonus Episode)

  This is a special previously unaired bonus episode of OPM with one of my most popular guests @hfreflection where we dive into the important topic of hedge fund compensation, with a particular focus on analysts and the investment team. How a hedge fund founder structures compensation and incentives for the investment team has a huge impact on the way investment research gets done. It can influence whether ideas are shared or hoarded and whether preventing mistakes is rewarded equally with finding new ideas. We also discuss when analysts should get points and how founders should deal with the reality that all analysts have different ideas about what they want their career path to look like. Follow HF Reflections on X: https://x.com/hfreflection Follow Max on X: https://x.com/maxwiethe Follow Other People’s Money on: Apple Podcast https://bit.ly/4e7QJ1M Spotify https://bit.ly/3Yhaazi YouTube https://bit.ly/3C63VXR X https://x.com/opmpod

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