Science of Reading: The Podcast

• S9 E14: Your questions answered, with Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D., and Susan Lambert

  In this special episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Claude Goldenberg, Ph.D., professor of education at Stanford University, to answer questions from our listener mailbag. Together they address a wide range of topics facing today’s educators, such as what to do when your school implements conflicting materials, how to support students that are two or three grade levels behind, best practices for teaching multilingual learners, and more!Show notes: Connect with Claude Goldenberg:Substack: https://claudegoldenberg.substack.com/ ResourcesLiteracy Foundations for English Learners, A Comprehensive Guide to Evidence-Based Instruction by Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan, Ed.D.Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Have a burning question? Submit at amplify.com/sormailbagQuotes:“Incrementalism is just not going to serve our purpose unless you want to keep things as they are. And I hate to say this, Susan…some people wouldn't mind leaving things as they are. And we can't do that, and we can't do it incrementally. We've got to really move, like last year.” —Claude Goldenberg“You’ve got to understand how [two programs] fit together and what the purpose is. Giving teachers materials that are literally incoherent and don't fit with each other is not the answer.” —Claude Goldenberg“We need to have a system ... using the best knowledge that we have systematically throughout the state, throughout the country, with systems that pick up kids who are at risk and don't let them fail.” —Claude GoldenbergEpisode timestamps*02:00 The latest from Claude Goldenberg 04:00 Literacy and the urgency of now7:00 Question 1: What about the pendulum swing?15:00 Question 2: What to do when your school implements conflicting materials?21:00 Question 3: Why are running records and leveled texts discouraged?22:00 Decoding v.s. Word recognition29:00 Question 4: How do we support kids that are two or three grade levels behind?30:00 Dyslexia and the importance of universal screening35:00 Question 5: How would you increase reading proficiency in a school in which nearly every student is a multilingual learner?45:00 Question 6: How do you apply the science of reading to an ELL student in middle school that doesn’t yet know the language?48:00 Question 7: Is it best practice for bilingual students who are being taught to decode and encode in English and Spanish to be screened in English and Spanish?*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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• S9 E13: Empowering instruction through mental models, with Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Young-Suk Grace Kim, a professor at University of California at Irvine's School of Education. Dr. Kim begins by defining a theoretical model, outlining its value to teachers as it pertains to literacy instruction. She describes her own interactive dynamic literacy (IDL) model, which seeks to more fully explain reading and writing connections. Dr. Kim emphasizes how reading and writing function as a powerful and closely related system, and examines how this system interacts with developmental phases, linguistic grain size, and reading and writing difficulties, including dyslexia. After navigating the complexities of this conversation, Susan ends the episode by sharing her unique insights and takeaways from her time with Dr. Kim.Show notes:Connect with Young-Suk Grace Kim:X: @YoungSukKim19ResourcesRead: Enhancing Reading and Writing Skills through Systematically Integrated InstructionRead: Reading and Writing Relations Are Not Uniform: They Differ by the Linguistic Grain Size, Developmental Phase, and MeasurementJoin our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Want to hear more of Dr. Kim? Join us for our upcoming Spring Science of Reading Summit where she’ll be giving the keynote address on the relationship between reading, writing, and language. Save your spot: amplify.com/springsorsummitQuotes:“Lower order skills are necessary for higher order skills; that means skills and knowledge have a series of causal effects. So if you flip it the other way, any challenges or weaknesses in lower order skills, it's going to have a series of impacts on higher order skills.” —Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.“Theory is an explanation about how things work. …It's a structured framework, a mental framework, that helps us explain, and predict, and understand phenomena.” —Young-Suk Grace Kim, Ed.D.“If an educator goes to a professional development and learns about something like phoneme awareness…but you don't have a framework in which to attach it, you can sort of go down a rabbit trail on one thing instead of thinking about how it relates to the whole.” —Susan LambertEpisode timestamps*03:00 Introduction: Who is Young-Suk Grace Kim?05:00: Defining a theoretical model07:00 Origins of Young-Suk’s model08:00 Interactive Dynamic Literacy Model Overview14:00 Why interactive and why dynamic15:00 Hierarchical relations between low order skills and high order skills18:00 Breaking down “Interactive”19:00 Young-Suk’s ideal classroom20:00 Breaking down “Dynamic”21:00 Linguistic grain size22:00 Why linguistic grain size matters for teachers26:00 Why word reading and spelling are more strongly related than reading comprehension and writing composition29:00 Dynamic relationship of developmental phases30:00 Measuring reading and writing33:00 Interactive Dynamic Literacy Model summarized35:00 Understanding reading and writing difficulty, including dyslexia42:00 Dr. Kim’s Final Thoughts44:00 Susan’s takeaways from the conversation*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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• S9 E12: Explicit instruction of academic language, with Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D., associate professor of special education and school psychology at Michigan State University. Their conversation starts with defining academic language and breaking it down on the level of the word, the sentence, and full text. Adrea then touches on topics such as informational vs. narrative text structure, morphological complexity, and effective writing assessment. She also gives advice on how to implement explicit instruction on informational text and academic language, and details a few examples of what it can look like in the classroom. Adrea ends by discussing her passion for special education and encouraging educators to get involved.Show notes:ResourcesRead: “Academic language use in middle school informational writing”Read: “Academic language and the challenge of reading for learning about science”Read: “Writing to read: Parallel and independent contributions of writing research to the Science of Reading”Read: “What is important to measure in sentence-level language comprehension?Read: Making the Writing Process Work: Strategies for Composition and Self-RegulationJoin our Facebook community group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreading.Connect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/.Quotes:“ Academic language is really a new language for everyone to learn.” —Adrea Truckenmiller, Ph.D."When we're thinking about teaching academic vocabulary, it's not just one time around. Sometimes we have to layer that instruction for deeper and deeper and deeper meaning.” —Susan LambertEpisode timestamps*02:00 Introduction: Who is Adrea Truckenmiller?07:00 Defining academic language11:00 Differences in academic language at different levels: word, sentence, text.12:00 Word level: morphological complexity17:00 Sentence level18:00 Connectives21:00 Text level: Informational text structure vs narrative text structure24:00 Reading research for middle schoolers26:00 Writing assessment structure for middle school32:00 What does this type of instruction look like in the classroom?34:00 Importance of grades 4 & 5 to the development of informational reading and writing skills35:00 Advice for teachers on teaching information reading and writing39:00 Get involved in special education*Timestamps are approximate

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• S9 E11: Writing the way to better reading, with Judith Hochman, Ed.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Judith Hochman, Ed.D., co-author of “The Writing Revolution.” Their conversation begins as Dr. Hochman recalls the early days of writing instruction and research, then delves into the connection between better writing and better reading. Dr. Hochman touches upon topics such as writing comprehension, her experience implementing writing instruction as a classroom teacher and as an administrator, and how the writing revolution came to be. She also answers a question from our listener mailbag, providing a detailed overview of the scope and sequence for transitioning student writing from sentence composition to paragraphs to whole texts.Show notes:ResourcesRead: The Writing Revolution 2.0: A Guide to Advancing Thinking Through Writing in All Subjects and Grades Website: The Writing RevolutionRead: “The Writing Revolution” in The Atlantic Join our community Facebook group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Quotes:“I had an epiphany that our students really had to learn writing as a second language.” —Judith Hochman“Having students write a lot is not teaching writing. It's just like if you put a lot of books in a classroom, students don't magically begin to read.” —Judith Hochman“This is not learned by osmosis, and it's not learned by vague feedback like, ‘Make it better,’ or, ‘Add more details.’ You've got to be very granular. This is not a naturally occurring skill in human development for any of us.” —Judith HochmanEpisode timestamps*03:00 Introduction: Who is Judith Hochman?06:00 Time as an administrator09:00 Judith’s early days of teaching writing11:00 Classroom activities for teaching students to write 12:00 Atlantic article and NYC high school case15:00 The writing revolution16:00 How kids learn to write based on the research20:00 Listener mailbag question21:00 Writing and comprehension27:00 Transitioning from writing sentences to writing paragraphs 34:00 Final thoughts*Timestamps are approximate

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• S9 E10: Phonology as a settled science, with Jane Ashby, Ph.D.

  In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, Susan Lambert is joined by Jane Ashby, professor in the Reading Science doctoral program at Mount St. Joseph University. They define the concept of “settled science” as a jumping-off point before digging into phonology and the argument for not always basing your teaching practice on the newest research. Dr. Ashby touches on the impact of phonology on comprehension, the Matthew Effect, and why the term “instant words” is more accurate than “sight words.” You’ll walk away from this episode with two practical exercises Dr. Ashby recommends for teaching students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks.Show notesConnect with Jane Ashby: Mt. St. Joseph UniversityResourcesTeaching Phonemic Awareness in 2024: A Guide for EducatorsRead: Phonological recoding and self-teaching: sine qua non of reading acquisitionMore: The Four-Part Processing Model for Word RecognitionRead: Matthew effects in reading: Some consequences of individual differences in the acquisition of literacy.Join our community Facebook Group: www.facebook.com/groups/scienceofreadingConnect with Susan Lambert: www.linkedin.com/in/susan-lambert-b1512761/Want to hear more of Dr. Ashby? Listen to the bonus episode! Quotes“To store a vocabulary word, it's not enough to have the meaning. You have to have the entry for it, and the entry for it is the sound form of the word.” —Jane Ashby“The greatest gift you can give a kid is letting them know that you see that they're special and that they have something unique that they bring to the world. But the second piece is really, can you help them become a confident, independent reader?” —Jane AshbyEpisode timestamps*2:00 Introduction: Who is Jane Ashby?6:00 Defining and contextualizing “settled science”13:00 Phonology as settled science17:00 Instant words vs sight words20:00 How phonology impacts comprehension26:00 Connection to the Matthew Effect31:00 Listener mailbag question: How do you suggest teachers teach students to transfer oral segmenting and blending to reading and writing tasks?37:00 Teaching phonemic awareness guide39:00 Research that should influence teacher practice41:00 The greatest gift you can give a child*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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